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Why is smoking cigarettes so popular in europe? (places, train, uk) — page 4 — city-data forum

03 12 2013, 10 24 AM cmptrwlt 2,135 posts, read 1,483,963 times Reputation 1352 Quote Originally Posted by pigeonhole My two cents for me smoking cigarettes is an habit of backward people and in some cases (2 packs a day) of degenerates. So it’s telling that in Europe it’s still widespread. Europe is maybe not so much the beacon of progress and enlightenment it so much likes to picture itself for certin things at least… Well…

Smoking is still quite common in the United States.

» estimated 45.3 million people, or 19.3% of all adults (aged 18 years or older), in the United States smoke cigarettes…»

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03 12 2013, 10 25 AM Avondrood Location Belgium 1,180 posts, read 698,686 times Reputation 1362 Quote Originally Posted by pigeonhole My two cents for me smoking cigarettes is an habit of backward people and in some cases (2 packs a day) of degenerates. So it’s telling that in Europe it’s still widespread. Europe is maybe not so much the beacon of progress and enlightenment it so much likes to picture itself for certin things at least… Wow, what a great, insightful, intelligent post . I’m honestly impressed by your brilliant analysis . 03 12 2013, 11 49 AM LindavG Location The Netherlands 2,643 posts, read 1,460,237 times Reputation 3047 Quote Originally Posted by anondragon I’m European so I think I have a right to say it.
Also, it might be offensive to you but I’m just speaking the reality which can hurt.

Its a fact that whatever happens in the USA happens in Europe 20 years after. It’s a common phenomenon.

The anti smoking mentality of USA is now starting in Europe.
I know, I speak with the older generation of Europeans which smoked all the time, and have myself observed how in average Western EU country, people and youth are smoking less and less. What makes you think the anti smoking mentality is «imported» from the US? I think it’s just a logical consequence of learning more about the negative effects of smoking on individual and societal health. The EU banned advertising of tobacco two decades ago already so it’s not like the realization that smoking is bad for you is a recent phenomenon. It’s just that this trend is harder to break because smoking used to be so widespread in many European countries.

Quote Europe is changing fast.
And its like this with every other cultural phenomena imported from USA.
Now we’re talking about abortions like in the USA. We’re talking about gay marriage.
All things we never mentioned in Europe and were imported from USA.
Even nudism for example is becoming ridiculous like it is in the USA and people are wearing board shorts now.

I could name 100000 other examples.
Again latin Europe and Eastern Europe dont follow as fast in this as West EU. This is demonstrably false. I don’t know what European countries you’re talking about but it sure as hell isn’t mine. Abortion is not a controversial issue at all. We legalized gay marriage over a decade ago and were the first country in the world to do so. We’ve had a lenient soft drugs policy for decades, the US is only now experimenting with this in one or two states. Prostitution is still classified as a misdemeanor or public order crime in all US states except Nevada, in the Netherlands prostitution has been legal for decades. Euthanasia is also a legal and perfectly acceptable practice here (for those who are terminally ill) whereas this is still highly controversial and illegal in the US. The US is now finally catching up to the rest of the world in providing universal health insurance coverage. The EU has prioritized environmentalism for decades and is a world leader, with the US lagging far behind. Europe is still the epicenter of fashion and make up, the vast majority of well known fashion and make up brands are European. I could go on and on. If you’re living in some Austrian hell hole where people are only now starting to notice that gays exist and cigarettes are bad for you, I suggest you move to a more ‘progressive’ place. 03 12 2013, 12 19 PM Phil P Status «sanctifying all the ground around you» (set 28 days ago) Location Colorado Springs 1,083 posts, read 358,297 times Reputation 449 So, do you think in about 50 to 100 years, smoking cigarettes will generally be a habit of the past and no longer practiced heavily anywhere? 03 12 2013, 12 41 PM Komodo666 381 posts, read 216,625 times Reputation 254 Quote Originally Posted by pigeonhole My two cents for me smoking cigarettes is an habit of backward people and in some cases (2 packs a day) of degenerates. So it’s telling that in Europe it’s still widespread. Europe is maybe not so much the beacon of progress and enlightenment it so much likes to picture itself for certin things at least…

Maybe is a habit in the part of Europe in which you don’t have to shell from 5 to 15 to buy a pack of Marlboro, or in the part of Europe were smokers are treated as lepers. 03 12 2013, 12 56 PM dunno what to put here Location The Shire 12,880 posts, read 5,933,052 times Reputation 4560 20% of adults (16 and over) in England smoked in 2012, down form 39% in 1980. Between the ages of 11 and 15, 5% are regular smokers. 03 13 2013, 03 28 AM anondragon Location London, UK 114 posts, read 97,679 times Reputation 260 Quote Originally Posted by LindavG What makes you think the anti smoking mentality is «imported» from the US? I think it’s just a logical consequence of learning more about the negative effects of smoking on individual and societal health. The EU banned advertising of tobacco two decades ago already so it’s not like the realization that smoking is bad for you is a recent phenomenon. It’s just that this trend is harder to break because smoking used to be so widespread in many European countries. Before WW2, it is true that much anti smoking research has been done across Europe.
However in the aftermath of WW2 and the cold war, when US culture spread over Europe, smoking became popular again, as became Jeans, t shirts, etc.

People also don’t smoke because they don’t know its bad for them. This is a typical American minded assertion.

Not going to comment on second paragraph at its a ridiculous ad hominem.

In fact not going to comment on this thread any longer as people seem too prudish or too arrogant to maturely discuss an interesting cultural phenomena.

It’s a little bit like the «remove the word from German fairytales from over 100 years ago» debate.
It’s all ridiculous, political correctness and stupidity have made these topics impossible to discuss.

When I mentioned the gay marriage debate, I thought specifically about UK & France where this is currently hotly debated. In the past in Europe, being gay was not a big deal as was general sexuality. The view was just different than from the USA. However now we are debating it as if its a big issue, just like Americans did in the 90s or still do now.

I am talking about the deeper morality of Europeans changing. The essence of behaving «European» and what made us different from Americans.

But people fail to get the point and think when I mention these topics I am not progressive enough or being politically incorrect. Its not about that at all.

Again could mention many topics which to me are not European discussions in nature but American topics Race, gay marriage, political correctness, the hand of government into the economy, challenging evolution theory, religious fundamentalism (Americans Christianity is totally different than Europe’s, and its changing aswell as Evangelical Christianity is one of fastest growing religions now in Europe as people desert the catholic church).

Could also mention un European cultural phenomena that popped up in Europe due to American influence

Jeans, T Shirts, etc
American styled bars, american style fitness centers
Fast food, even the current «bio food» craze going on

I could add thousands of topics to be discussed, but will stop here as it just adds fire as people miss my point 03 13 2013, 04 42 AM FightForFreedom Location Milan, Italy 263 posts, read 225,193 times Reputation 174 Quote Originally Posted by anondragon I’m European so I think I have a right to say it.
Also, it might be offensive to you but I’m just speaking the reality which can hurt.

Its a fact that whatever happens in the USA happens in Europe 20 years after. It’s a common phenomenon.

The anti smoking mentality of USA is now starting in Europe.
I know, I speak with the older generation of Europeans which smoked all the time, and have myself observed how in average Western EU country, people and youth are smoking less and less.

Maybe its because you’re Italian and being in a typical high smoking latin country you feel offended. Sorry about this but its a fact especially for latin countries. I’ve traveled there, people still have the old school mad men mentality, let’s go for a cigarette on a break, while drinking wine, and so on. Your European so you know what Im talking about.

Dont feel bad about it. Im Austrian my country is still relatively like this.
Having lived in Germany I also know my parent’s generation were like this aswell and many people are still like this.

Mark my words. In a couple years EU will be like USA in smoking policy.
Already in most European countries (except smoking haven Austria lol) smoking is banned indoors.

just 10 years ago everybody smoked indoors. Now nobody does it except in latin countries and Austria/eastern Europe.

Europe is changing fast.
And its like this with every other cultural phenomena imported from USA.
Now we’re talking about abortions like in the USA. We’re talking about gay marriage.
All things we never mentioned in Europe and were imported from USA.
Even nudism for example is becoming ridiculous like it is in the USA and people are wearing board shorts now.

I could name 100000 other examples.
Again latin Europe and Eastern Europe dont follow as fast in this as West EU. I don’t understand «how» it came from the US.

I’m also European, and smoking in Italy is common, but it’s not like it bothers me, it’s a shame that so many people do it, though.

Your comment about how Europe is America 20 years in the past would be what I have trouble understanding. Just in recent years We had fiberoptics first, we have better schools, better wages, better transportation That stuff has been that way for nearly 20 years.

Are you talking about epidemics? Are you saying Europe will face the same problems America does? I’m sure as the amount of fast food grows and the younger European generations grow up around fast food they will accept it more, and obesity could become a problem. This is what happened to us with smoking, in my opinion.

The thing that keeps Europe a bit different is our work life balance. The average European of any country has about 3 hours less work a day and more time with his family, and that may be able to be enough for Europe to stay on the right path and avoid the epidemics.

But again, no way in hell are we 20 years behind USA. We’re probably 20 years ahead. An American would dream of free healthcare, safe public transport, free colleges and 12 20 USD (minimum!!!!) wages all while working on average less and paying roughly the same. (Because what person doesn’t go to the hospital/doctors or dentist at least once a year? That can be expensive.)


Last edited by FightForFreedom 03 13 2013 at 05 47 AM.. Reason Typographical errors 03 13 2013, 04 51 AM dunno what to put here Location The Shire 12,880 posts, read 5,933,052 times Reputation 4560 I believe Berlin recently made smoking in public places such as bars and clubs legal after they reported a fall in costumers. Smoking is a good for making new friends. 03 13 2013, 05 10 AM Mac15 Location North West Northern Ireland. 16,374 posts, read 4,505,774 times Reputation 2592 It isnt popular here.

There are loads of quitting programmes and peoplea re quitting by the dozen. It used to be popular when the older generation exsisted. But now the older generation are dying off, it isnt very popular with teens. Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

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