New directive shows eu plans to ban e-cigarette cartridges and e-liquid

Posted by Vranks on January 14, 2013 Under E Cig News

E cigarettes have been under fire from all sides for some time now, but the European vaping community has been dealt a serious blow recently a new tobacco product directive plans to ban the sale of nicotine products with a concentration higher than 4mg/ml, in the European Union.

At the end of 2012, a new EU tobacco product directive was released to the public. Among other things, it stipulates that electronic cigarettes will remain available on the market, as long as they come with cartridges containing e liquid with a nicotine concentration of up to 4mg/ml. Anything above that must be authorized as a medical products in order to be allowed. E cigarettes are NOT medical products, but if that were the only way vapers could have access to them, then so be it. Only it’s not that simple. Getting e cigarettes approved as nicotine replacement therapy would cost millions of euros and take several years, during which time they would be off the market and the powers that be would probably make sure they would never return. And there’s really no guarantee e cigs would ever get the approval&#8230

So why not ban electronic cigarettes entirely, right, why go just after the e liquid. Well, because banning the hardware is a lot more complicated, and could be appealed at the EU High Court, whereas a ban against the e liquid is much easier to impose and a lot more efficient, as well. But hey, a 4mg nicotine juice is better than no juice at all, right? Not really, at least not for 99% of vapers who actually use e cigarettes to keep their nicotine craving under control. Medium strength e liquid is around 10 mg, and the strong goes all the way up to 24 mg, so 4 mg isn’t going to help much to keep them from going back to smoking. Nicotine concentration just isn’t high enough for the vast majority of e cig users, so they’ll probably be force to either go back to analogs or try medicinal alternatives instead, which is probably the goal of this initiative. Sadly, pharmaceutical nicotine replacement therapies fail in over 90% of cases&#8230

So what effects can we expect to see when this new tobacco directive is adopted by the European Parliament? While many casual vapers will probably just switch back to analog cigarettes, there will still be a demand for regular e liquid, so we’ll probably witness the birth of a black market, one that doesn’t have to abide by any rules or regulations. In high concentrations, nicotine can be a very dangerous drug, not to mention the hygiene related conditions that have to be met by this kind of product. Local vendors will have to either close up shop or move their businesses to non EU countries and raise the price of their merchandise, and the tobacco and pharmaceutical industries will see their profits grow even more&#8230

The only relatively positive news is that the new law is not going to be adopted immediately. The new European Commissioner for Health and Consumer Affairs, Tonio Borg, wants to have it approved before 2014, when Parliament membership changes, which means it may come into effect sometime in 2015. This means there is still time to protest against these measures and make sure lawmakers know where the public stands. It’ll be hard, even if proof of electronic cigarettes’ positive effects on users are obvious, but vapers have to fight for their rights!

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03 09 2013, 09 59 PM Phil P Status «sanctifying all the ground around you» (set 28 days ago) Location Colorado Springs 1,081 posts, read 358,297 times Reputation 449 Why is smoking cigarettes so popular in Europe?


As an American from Colorado, the few people I see smoking cigarettes tend to be older folks. Younger people in high school or college by and large do not smoke cigarettes (marijuana is a different story). I think the younger generations don’t see smoking cigarettes as cool anymore. Yet in Europe, especially Eastern Europe, it seems that smoking cigarettes is much more prevalent. Does anybody know why?
03 09 2013, 10 03 PM Tom9 1,490 posts, read 918,215 times Reputation 875 It just custom and has nothing to do with looking cool. However anti smoking movements are gaining popularity in Europe as people develop more awareness about their health. 03 10 2013, 04 32 AM BigSwede Location Sweden 12,251 posts, read 37,938,325 times Reputation 8203 Quote Originally Posted by Phil P As an American from Colorado, the few people I see smoking cigarettes tend to be older folks. Younger people in high school or college by and large do not smoke cigarettes (marijuana is a different story). I think the younger generations don’t see smoking cigarettes as cool anymore. Yet in Europe, especially Eastern Europe, it seems that smoking cigarettes is much more prevalent. Does anybody know why? Why is smoking marijuana so popular in America? 03 10 2013, 04 34 AM Gargamel10 233 posts, read 29,272 times Reputation 77 Not in Spain, not many smokers left.
Weed in on the rise among youngsters. 03 10 2013, 05 03 AM Catbelle Location Europe 994 posts, read 611,088 times Reputation 539 I think it was more trendy around 10 years ago, nowadays with the smoking laws and the taxes on tobacco less people usually smoke specially at young ages, I can say that only 10% of my friends smoke. 03 10 2013, 06 19 AM irish bob 4,590 posts, read 2,160,278 times Reputation 2440 Quote Originally Posted by Phil P As an American from Colorado, the few people I see smoking cigarettes tend to be older folks. Younger people in high school or college by and large do not smoke cigarettes (marijuana is a different story). I think the younger generations don’t see smoking cigarettes as cool anymore. Yet in Europe, especially Eastern Europe, it seems that smoking cigarettes is much more prevalent. Does anybody know why?
its much more common in eastern europe where every second young woman seems to smoke

then again hair metal is seen as current over there 03 10 2013, 06 25 AM LindavG Location The Netherlands 2,643 posts, read 1,460,237 times Reputation 3047 Quote Originally Posted by Catbelle I think it was more trendy around 10 years ago, nowadays with the smoking laws and the taxes on tobacco less people usually smoke specially at young ages, I can say that only 10% of my friends smoke. Same here. Most young people I know have never smoked and many older people (including my parents) have quit or are planning on quitting. Smoking is definitely not considered a popular or cool thing to do, more like an expensive and harmful addiction.

It’s another one of those sweeping generalizations that are remnants of the 1970s or so. 03 10 2013, 06 41 AM dunno what to put here Location The Shire 12,878 posts, read 5,933,052 times Reputation 4560 I think pot has replaced cigarettes as far as the under 25s in Britain are concerned. 03 10 2013, 09 20 AM Poncho NM Location New Mexico USA 15,664 posts, read 14,544,498 times Reputation 15715 Quote Originally Posted by BigSwede Why is smoking marijuana so popular in America? I don’t know how popular it really is… I do not, nor do most members of my family smoke marijuana. 03 10 2013, 02 44 PM BigSwede Location Sweden 12,251 posts, read 37,938,325 times Reputation 8203 Quote Originally Posted by Poncho NM I don’t know how popular it really is… I do not, nor do most members of my family smoke marijuana. I think it is generalizing to say it is popular in Europe.
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