04 21 2010, 03 03 PM NoelChambers 2 posts, read 17,479 times Reputation 13 Where is the best place to buy cigarettes?
If anyone might be able to share with me the closest state I might be able to travel to, to buy cigarettes at a lower price than New York. I had heard Vermont was a good place to go. But, I have no idea where in Vermont. And, is Vermont the best place to go? I’m willing to travel a few hours and make a day trip of it, picking up a couple months worth of cigarettes. The brands I want are “Marlboro” and Newport” I have been ordering them from another country for quite a number of years now, paying approximetly $25 per corton. But, since the new law was passed, on March 30th, 2010, it has become illegal to ship cigarettes via usps. From my understanding, all the internet cigarette companies will be shutting down within the next 90 days. I refuse to pay NY State taxes on cigarettes. I plan on making a monthly / bi monthly trip to buy them for myself and friends. But, I am clueless as to which state to travel to and where to go once I’m there. I live in Albany New York. Is there anyone who might be able to help me and point me in the right direction? Which state and where? Thank you for your help )
Respecfully, Noel
04 21 2010, 04 34 PM juppiter 3,280 posts, read 2,168,579 times Reputation 1580 Go gambling for a weekend on Turning Stone casino and pick up a couple cartons. Lucky for me, it is on the way from home to school so I go there every time I take a trip on the Thruway. 04 22 2010, 09 59 AM Ellwood 3,998 posts, read 6,715,479 times Reputation 4111 Cheap discount cigarettes online for sale from Indian Smokes
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I quit smoking two years ago, but used to purchase them from the indian reservations check to see if there is one near you. 04 22 2010, 06 18 PM Charley Midnight 2 posts, read 15,233 times Reputation 11 Quote Originally Posted by NoelChambers If anyone might be able to share with me the closest state I might be able to travel to, to buy cigarettes at a lower price than New York. I had heard Vermont was a good place to go. But, I have no idea where in Vermont. And, is Vermont the best place to go? I’m willing to travel a few hours and make a day trip of it, picking up a couple months worth of cigarettes. The brands I want are “Marlboro” and Newport” I have been ordering them from another country for quite a number of years now, paying approximetly $25 per corton. But, since the new law was passed, on March 30th, 2010, it has become illegal to ship cigarettes via usps. From my understanding, all the internet cigarette companies will be shutting down within the next 90 days. I refuse to pay NY State taxes on cigarettes. I plan on making a monthly / bi monthly trip to buy them for myself and friends. But, I am clueless as to which state to travel to and where to go once I’m there. I live in Albany New York. Is there anyone who might be able to help me and point me in the right direction? Which state and where? Thank you for your help )
Respecfully, Noel
Hello Noel,
I’ve been in the same quandary myself, I used to order from the Indian reservations, but as you noted that business will be shutting down shortly due to the Pact Act. Also people have been getting hit with 5 and 10k tax notices in other states when the tax people get a hold of any sales records from these places.
I looked into importing cigarettes from another state, like you, I wanted people to pool funds to make the trip worthwhile, the problem is, the savings really wasn’t going to be worth the time and gas, as well as being charged with a felony if I got stopped with 50 cartons in the car. So I decided to look into making my own, which is entirely legal.
It sounds complicated, but it really isn’t. You just get a machine, this is the one I use…
premier supermatic
And then you buy tubes which are pretty much available anywhere, they just look like cigarettes without any tobacco in them…
cigarette tubes
I can crank up a pack of cigarettes in less time than it takes to drive to a Stewart’s store, and no forking out 8 dollars a pack, for me to make a pack, it costs me 1.25, shipping tubes, tobacco and all. I started out 4 months ago and by my count I’ve saved 1200 dollars, between opting out of NY taxes that I wasn’t given the opportunity to vote on and the fact that I’ve cut my smoking down.
Which is one another thing, when you smoke a cigarette that’s simply pure tobacco, just the plant, something that hasn’t been monkeyed with by chemists, a funny thing happens. I used to smoke a pack and a half a day, the first day on my new creations I smoked 14 cigarettes.
Anyways, i’ve got some links to share if it’s something you might be interested in. The quality of these things that you can make on your own is very impressive, it’s like the difference between a McDonald’s hamburger and one cooked on your own grill.
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Sorry the links are messed up, i guess this place isn’t link friendly 04 23 2010, 01 09 AM frankscott147 30 posts, read 92,787 times Reputation 14 Nowadays E cigarettes are very famous and it is available easily and even it could be brought through the net .For more detail please log onto Home. 04 23 2010, 04 51 AM Ellwood 3,998 posts, read 6,715,479 times Reputation 4111 Delaware they cost around $50 carton and Mass about $65 04 24 2010, 05 16 AM frankscott147 30 posts, read 92,787 times Reputation 14 The E cigarettes are one of the great innovation of this century and it is very beneficial. 04 26 2010, 04 51 AM frankscott147 30 posts, read 92,787 times Reputation 14 The E cigarettes can be purchased from Home. The product is really great. 09 14 2010, 05 03 PM lasalt22 1 posts, read 12,986 times Reputation 11 The closest and cheapest state to our area is New still has no sales tax. There are New Hampshire State Liquor (also very cheap) Stores who sell the cheapest in that state. Everyone from VT goes there. Trust me, I lived in Woodstock VT for 11 yrs. 09 17 2010, 08 26 PM tijlover Location Las Vegas, Nevada 10,500 posts, read 7,997,624 times Reputation 13422 I make my own, using the empty cigarette tubes. About a dollar a pack.
When they raised the tax on one pound bags of cigarette tobacco to $42
I switched to mild cigar tobacco, and hardly notice the difference at $14 a bag.
It’s also healthier to smoke, minus the chemicals. I make my cigarettes while watching TV, can now do three at a time.
Dry the tobacco on a cookie sheet, crush it up, then sift it into the tubes.
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Jul 11th, 2012, 05 24 PM #1 jdiaz Junior Member Country
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Cigarette tax for out of state purchases?
I am a NJ resident. I used to purchase cigarettes online from an out of state (NY) Indian reservation in 2009 (prior to the passing of the PACT Act, in March, 2010).
I received a letter from NJ Dept of Taxation that I currently owe them $885.31. (690.55 for tax, 34.53 in penalties and 160.23 in interest). Whenever I purchase anything from out of state online, it is not subject to NJ state tax. What can I do to dispute this? Sponsored Links Consult Your Own Personal Lawyer Now! Jul 11th, 2012, 05 37 PM #2 sandyclaus Moderator Country
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Quote Originally Posted by jdiaz I am a NJ resident. I used to purchase cigarettes online from an out of state (NY) Indian reservation in 2009 (prior to the passing of the PACT Act, in March, 2010).
I received a letter from NJ Dept of Taxation that I currently owe them $885.31. (690.55 for tax, 34.53 in penalties and 160.23 in interest). Whenever I purchase anything from out of state online, it is not subject to NJ state tax. What can I do to dispute this? Sorry to say, but cigarettes do not fall into the non taxable category.
There is a reason why it is illegal to purchase cigarettes from out of state. The reason is that state taxes on cigarettes are MANDATORY. Simply purchasing from an online retailer from out of state is NOT an appropriate method to avoid having to pay those taxes. The online retailers are required to collect the state sales tax on those out of state purchases, and when they don’t, then the state can AND DOES charge those unpaid taxes right back to the purchasers (like they did in YOUR case).
It doesn’t pay to try to break the law by buying your cigarettes online from retailers who don’t collect those taxes anymore.
Per the law
The NJ Wholesale Tobacco Products Sales and Use Tax
Act imposes a
• $0.75 per ounce tax on the net weight of moist
tobacco such as, but not limited to
Snuff
Chewing tobacco (“dips,” “pouches,” etc.)
AND
• 30% tax upon the wholesale price of all other
tobacco such as, but not limited to
Cigars
Pipe tobacco
These tobacco products, which exclude cigarettes,
are each taxed at the wholesale price from the
supplier to a retailer. The supplier (distributor,
wholesaler, etc.) shall include this tax in the sale of
tobacco to each of their customers. The retailer or
consumer will be given an invoice, receipt or other
memorandum stating that the tax has been paid or
will be paid by the supplier.
If the supplier has not paid the Tobacco Products
Wholesale Tax, then the compensating use tax shall
be payable by the retail dealer or consumer directly
to the Division of Taxation within twenty (20) days
of the date the tax was required to be paid. With
the exception of cigarettes, tobacco products do not
bear a NJ tax stamp to prove the tax has been paid.
Compliance is accomplished by the examination of
purchase and sales invoices along with the registration
of those in the industry.
Evasion of the WTPS&U Tax Act carries criminal
penalties similar to violations of the Cigarette Tax
Act.
Undocumented importation from other states is the
most common form of evasion. OCI along with other
units of the Division of Taxation are enforcing the
provisions of this act both by criminal prosecution
and audits of tobacco product retailers, wholesalers
and suppliers.
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the point was to try to save money, not to “try to break the law” that was really an unnecessary comment
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I wish to inform you that under the provisions of the Jenkins Act, a federal law passed in 1949 it is required that anyone who sells cigarettes across a state line to an individual or unlicensed distributor to report the transaction to the state’s tobacco tax administrator. Accordingly, all online sales to you were reported to the New Jersey Division of Taxation which is now demanding payment for taxes due on cigars bought by you online. You are liable for a 48 percent tobacco tax, plus an additional 6 percent sales tax.
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Quote Originally Posted by jdiaz the point was to try to save money, not to “try to break the law” that was really an unnecessary comment So… you knew that you would have to pay taxes if you bought the cigarettes in your home state. Evading payment of required taxes is breaking the law. You did it in the name of saving money, but you KNEW or reasonably SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, that by doing so you would be breaking the law. Your argument that you were just trying to save money is therefore INVALID.
If it’s getting too expensive to buy your cigarettes, evading the tax liability is NOT the solution. Try quitting and save all your money instead. Smarter and healthier in the long run.
“If it ain’t in writing, it never happened.”
“A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.”
“You can never make the same mistake twice, because the second time you make it, it’s not a mistake, but a CHOICE.”
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It’s not an argument it’s intent that I’m explaining. My point is that the question could have easily been answered professionally without your judgmental self righteous tone … oh wait, you’re not a professional. Never mind.
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Cigarettes on Indian reservations are typically tax free. What the OP may not have realized, and I didn’t know this either, is that apparently that tax free status doesn’t apply when you buy cigarettes from a reservation that is not in the state you live in.
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I am appalled at the self righteous bs. I was truly unaware that I was breaking the law. I received a bill today for 5600$? I’m truly devastated by this. I am disabled with no income. How am I supposed to repay this. I plan on appealing this.
Anyone go for appeal?
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You apparently don’t understand addiction. I had no idea I was breaking the law. Why didnt the state advise everyone years ago. It’s just unfair that they can go back to 2007. I stopped ordering online in 2009 buying in stores because I wanted them right away. Wtf
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It is more then $32 per carton I purchased for my son and me.
Average price I paid to CD2U is $30.
So, total price I should pay is more than $62 per carton.
I do not think it is should take at least 50% of these penalties.
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